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 Subject :are the people ready?.. 2009-05-22 14:38:53 
58ttom
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The current administration in Washington has taken bold strides toward godless socialism with our federal government usurping more and more control away from the people. People have been led to believe that our government can legally enact any law they can get a majority vote on. We have seen congress pass laws that have previously been voted down by the people. There was a small stir by the people on tax day with the TEA parties. Are the people going to wake up and begin to take a stand? 
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 Subject :Re:are the people ready?.. 2009-05-23 04:25:07 
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Are the people ready to do what it takes to turn back the tide? (or rather the TSUNAMI) that's difficult to even guess..... are there enough of us that are at a point where we are willing to lose everything?

I can make some assumptions based on my observations at my local Tea Party in New Orleans last April 15th, which was organized by word of mouth and e-mails (no politicians were allowed), at it's climax there were over 1,200 men, women, children rubbing shoulders and holding signs, the event was located at the Veterans memorial which is a strip of land that separates a very busy boulevard.

The racial make-up was about 98% white, which saddened me a bit since that jives with the liberal mantra, that all Conservatives are racists, bigoted, homophobes.  As many of you know, New Orleans is about 60/ 40% or maybe even 50/ 50% black and white, not sure.
I'm not sure why Black folks were not interested in joining or even giving us a thumbs up or a honk of approval as they drove by, this was not a Republican/ Democrat sponsored event, but as you can all imagine, about 80% of us were probably Republicans...... this was indeed an AMERICAN gathering.  
(Many of the festivals here in New Orleans accurately reflect the racial make-up, I wonder what the secret is?)
Anyhoo..... one of the things that really impressed me were the amount of passer-bys that honked, waved, gave us thumbs-ups, and went out of their busy ways to show us their approval...... just imagine.









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 Subject :Re:are the people ready?.. 2009-05-24 16:53:35 
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Guys like this dealer in Florida are paying attention now to what is going on in Washington, although being awake now to this nightmare wont make anything better for him and his family.


Letter from a Dodge dealer
May 19, 2009
letter to the editor
 
My name is George C. Joseph. I am the sole owner of Sunshine Dodge-Isuzu, a family owned and operated business in Melbourne, Florida. My family bought and paid for this automobile franchise 35 years ago in 1974. I am the second generation to manage this business.
 
We currently employ 50+ people and before the economic slowdown we employed over 70 local people. We are active in the community and the local chamber of commerce. We deal with several dozen local vendors on a day to day basis and many more during a month.  All depend on our business for part of their livelihood.  We are financially strong with great respect in the market place and community.  We have strong local presence and stability.
 
I work every day the store is open, nine to ten hours a day. I know most of our customers and all our employees.  Sunshine Dodge is my life.
 
On Thursday, May 14, 2009 I was notified that my Dodge franchise, that we purchased, will be taken away from my family on June 9, 2009 without compensation and given to another dealer at no cost to them. My new vehicle inventory consists of 125 vehicles with a financed balance of 3 million dollars. This inventory becomes impossible to sell with no factory incentives beyond June 9, 2009. Without the Dodge franchise we can no longer sell a new Dodge as "new," nor will we be able to do any warranty service work. Additionally, my Dodge parts inventory, (approximately $300,000.) is virtually worthless without the ability to perform warranty service. There is no offer from Chrysler to buy back the vehicles or parts inventory.
 
Our facility was recently totally renovated at Chrysler’s insistence, incurring a multi-million dollar debt in the form of a mortgage at Sun Trust Bank.
 
HOW IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA CAN THIS HAPPEN?
 
THIS IS A PRIVATE BUSINESS NOT A GOVERNMENT ENTITY
 
This is beyond imagination! My business is being stolen from me through NO FAULT OF OUR OWN. We did NOTHING wrong.
 
This atrocity will most likely force my family into bankruptcy.  This will also cause our 50+ employees to be unemployed. How will they provide for their families?  This is a total economic disaster.
 
HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN IN A FREE MARKET ECONOMY IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?
  ;
I beseech your help, and look forward to your reply. Thank you.
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 Subject :Re:Re:are the people ready?.. 2009-06-03 01:47:52 
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I remember hearing an interesting fact on the Jerry Doyl radio program back in 2006.  He remarked that cruise ships often seek to hire very diverse crews, where there are different languages, colors, religions, etc. represented.  This is not done out of some deep commitment to diversity, equality, etc., but rather it is a stratagem designed to make it more difficult for the staff to get together to demand better pay and working conditions.  As America's population more and more resembles a "diverse" cruise ship crew, it is less and less able to unite to challenge the tyranny that the insiders are imposing more and more day by day. 

Regarding the specific question of why black Americans as a group might feel less motivated to participate in a tea party, bear in mind that our government has effectively turned the black community into a dependent constitutuency through its welfare programs.  Also, as you may recall from Jeremiah Wright's famous "God Damn America!" tirade, many American blacks do not have the same reverential attitude toward the founding fathers and the Constitution that many white Americans do. 

The only basis I have seen for substantial cooperation between blacks and whites in America has been when whites provide assistance to blacks in registering to vote, filing lawsuits, etc.  The emphasis is on gaining power and economic opportunity relative to the white population.  Since government is very useful to them in these regards, blacks are less likely to be concerned about limiting its power.

[Gen Malvar 2009-05-23 03:25:07]:Are the people ready to do what it takes to turn back the tide? (or rather the TSUNAMI) ...

The racial make-up was about 98% white, which saddened me a bit since that jives with the liberal mantra, that all Conservatives are racists, bigoted, homophobes.  As many of you know, New Orleans is about 60/ 40% or maybe even 50/ 50% black and white, not sure.I'm not sure why Black folks were not interested in joining or even giving us a thumbs up or a honk of approval as they drove by,...
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 Subject :Re:are the people ready?.. 2009-06-04 03:48:11 
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Guess if the Lord was in government it would be divine.

imo, keep the faith in personal life, and support JBS principles in government.
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 Subject :Re:are the people ready?.. 2009-06-04 04:08:13 
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58;  guess that is democracy, majority vote rules. Public education of the masses has seemed to have failed. Just imagine if school was not compulsory, letting students compete for the next grade, maintaining high standards, and expell those who fail.

A school system that promotes scholarship not sports, would do more for the public good in rasing up a generation of doers. This will take the involvement of mom and dad to ensure that their children are behaving and studying.imo.
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 Subject :Re:Re:are the people ready?.. 2009-06-05 00:39:02 
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[soulsanchor 2009-06-04 03:08:13]:

...Public education of the masses has seemed to have failed. Just imagine if school was not compulsory, letting students compete for the next grade, maintaining high standards, and expell those who fail...

I have worked as a substitute teacher in several public school districts in Phoenix.  I definitely feel that taxpayers should not be made to support students in top-dollar public schools unless those students display reasonably good citizenship. 

It isn't just a matter of academic excellence.  There can be slow or learning disabled students at a school who can still learn as long as they will let the teacher help them.  All too many students are interested in non-learning aspects of school, such as shooting paper wads at fellow students when the teacher is not looking, not paying attention, talking to friends while the teacher is trying to teach, drawing gang related images, shaking down other students in the bathroom, flashing gang signs and uttering gang slogans, etc.  The more a teacher is distracted coping with such problems, the less he is able to teach the actual academic content that the class is supposed to learn.

In my view, students who are persistently disruptive and make little or no effort at the academic side of school should be sent to cheap charter schools that emphasize structure and discipline.  If the time comes when they show that they are willing to learn and let others learn, then they can return to the high-dollar school.

By removing the worst discipline problems from the expensive public schools, districts could greatly improve the behavior of the remaining students and increase academic performance.  I would estimate that perhaps about 10-20% of the students of some public school would have to be expelled to allow this to happen. 

If school attendance were not mandatory, young drop outs would still require a lot of supervision of some kind, that is if we want to keep them alive and out of jail.  I do think that young people should have choices if school is not for them, perhaps involving apprenticeships.

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 Subject :Re:are the people ready?.. 2009-06-05 15:17:22 
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john_lyon56, 
You made several good points about schools. I have no solid answer, just a thought. It's that taxes are raised and spent  and still the graduates are not prepared. I'm thinking that if the student wants to attend, it needs to be a family effort. Then again, what is a family these days?

Such a very large complicated problem the schools have come to be. 

Thanks for the post.  
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